George Will, a Detained Photographer and Terrorism
69Trying NOT to be a Downer
I'm trying to write interesting, useful and positive hubs-- like articles about out-of-the-ordinary places, life's anecdotes-- uplifting things, you know? I really am, but I roam around the internet for inspiration and I keep finding outrageous items that I feel need to be exposed to sunlight whenever possible. I'd rather not be Mr. Negativity, but Mr. Main Stream Media isn't doing the job.
George Will
When a conservative like George Will writes stuff that I agree with, well, that's just not right. I may have to actually open my mind and reconsider that there are conservatives worth listening to-- you know, like before the GOP was hijacked by the evangelist far-right-wingers. I can't disagree with them just because of a label. What caught my eye today was Mr. Will's commentary entitled “George F. Will: Police overreach in name of fighting terrorism”. My first reaction was to ensure that it was THAT George Will. I mean, what Republican would even hint that police might overstep the bounds when terrorism is involved? In it, he discusses the cases of two photographers detained by police for taking photographs.
Shawn Nee
I did some more digging on one of the photographers, Shawn Nee, who was detained for taking pictures of new subway stiles in an L.A. Subway. He is a documentary photographer and, as such, knows his rights (at least as they currently stand). In 2009, after a deputy in the subway repeatedly demanded to know whether he was going to sell the pictures to al-Qaeda, Shawn repeatedly stated there was no law against taking pictures there and that he had broken no laws. When the deputies detained him and searched him, he exercised his right to remain silent.
Video taken by Shawn Nee of the incident.
The Threat
At this point, one of the deputies said:
“You know, I’ll just submit your name to TLO (the Terrorism Liaison Officer program). Every time your driver’s license gets scanned, every time you take a plane, any time you go on any type of public transit system where they look at your identification, you’re going to be stopped. You will be detained. You’ll be searched. You will be on the FBI’s hit list.”
So, regardless of Mr. Nee's intentions (or guilt or innocence), he faced having his livelihood ruined; being put on THE LIST is not a GOOD THING. The deputy didn't care one way or the other-- he could just do it-- and that would teach this irritating man bleating about his “rights”.
On another, unrelated occasion, Mr. Nee had also been told by deputies not to take pictures on the Hollywood Walk of Fame at Hollywood and Vine.
ACLU Steps In
In February 2012, the ACLU took up Shawn's case (as well as others) and is suing the L.A. Sheriff over such harassment, stating that “Photography is not a crime. It's protected First Amendment expression”.
More Incidents
Fellow Hubber LHWritings has also written articles on this same issue over the years-- as well as actually being involved in a few. His and other incidents can be read at http://www.lightrailnow.org/industry_issues.htm#se.
It Is Happening Here
As I read of this and other such incidents, I think back when we read about minders in the Soviet Union not allowing tourists to point their cameras at certain places or, more recently, police in the UK harassing photographers. It can happen here; it is happening here. Just because they don't have the guts to try to make cameras illegal doesn't mean they won't try to stop us from using them.
One more thing. I'm going to pay more attention in future to writers I may unconsciously be dismissing as right-wing-puppets. After all, there are left-wingers that write crap, too. And I want to be fair. No one has the monopoly on truth and it is in such short supply.
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It's really curious that a certified reactionary like George Will would be expressing concern over this issue. Typically, this rightwing crowd has been among the biggest cheerleaders of law-and-order "security" crackdowns, and supporters of the Patriot Act and the "War on Terrorism" hysteria (which constitute the basis for this new anti-photography frenzy among law enforcement).
I've written and edited a number of articles on this very issue, mainly on the Light Rail Now website; see:
http://www.lightrailnow.org/industry_issues.htm#se
Also, a public transportation industry colleague and I have been ensnared twice in this "anti-terrorism" crackdown against "illicit" railway and transit photography.
(1) St. Louis area, 2005 — With the blessing of Metro's private security personnel, my pal and I were photographing a segment of St. Louis's Metrolink light rail line at Belleville, Illinois; upon returning to the transit station, we were called over by the county sheriff and interrogated for a half-hour as to why we were bothering to photograph a rail line (we use the photos to educate people about rail, safety, etc. and for photos on Light Rail Now). Seems the private rent-a-cops, after giving us the OK, called the sheriff, claiming we were "suspicious". The Sheriff let us go with the admonition not to take photos in his county again.
(2) Oceanside, California, 2008 — We were snapping photos of the outside of the transit agency's rail-bus intermodal transit center, when we were stopped by a local security guard (contracted to the transit authority), and told it was forbidden nationally ever to take any photos of rail or transit facilities — a totally false claim, of course. But a cop is always the 800-lb gorilla in the room.
Thanks for publicizing this issue.
In Illinois they passed a law making it illegal to video tape or audio record police interaction with anyone. Imagine that, you can't video evidence of bad behavior, aggressive action or inappropriate action to use to defend yourself. But the police can and they can edit what the jury can see
A thought provoking hub, excellent as usual, with an interesting introduction.
George Will and I differ greatly in our politics, but for some years now I have found him to be (most of the time) a serious thinker, moderate in his value judgements, and someone worth reading even when I disagree with him. Great Hub. SHARING
"I'm going to pay more attention in future to writers I may unconsciously be dismissing as right-wing-puppets. After all, there are left-wingers that write crap, too. And I want to be fair." Good for you. It's called keeping an open mind and is admirable. Just make sure you keep your seatbelt on. It can be a bumpy ride.













Ralph Deeds Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago
Nice job. I had a run-in with local police where I live for taking pictures of a severe car accident from across the street (with a long lens). One of our local bullies came over to me and ordered me to stop taking pictures. I asked "Why." He replied "Because I said so." I replied "That's not good enough." When he left I resumed taking pictures. From what I've read it's not uncommon for police to interfere with someone taking pictures or videos of them.